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Hey, what's going on? This is rad, your host of software, radio. And I have Jeff Engel on with me today. And Jeff comes from a military background of the United States Army special operations.

I believe free fall parachute teams. I believe he's also heavily involved in cyber security and how to help prevent that in your personal life or how to adapt what he's learned in special operations on, you know, the cyber security side of things so that you can apply some of that maybe, you know, attention to detail and some rules.

So let's listen to what Jeff has to say and welcome to our show.

Well, rad, thanks for having me. You gave a good intro. I mean, I've been fortunate to spend my, you know, what I considered my formative years when a lot of people are going to college. I was getting an education, you know, in the Army special missions unit, which, you know, set the stage for many of the things that I've done since, you know, when you, when you've got nobody to call, they're, you know, they're the ones. So there's no backup and it really changes the way that you think about, you know, more complex problems.

So a lot of self rescue in that world where it's like you're out there and it's you and your buddies are the self rescue. It's like someone climbing a mountain. It's up to them to get off kind of that mountain, you know, self rescue.

Absolutely. And you have the other pieces when you're doing, you know, things in remote places with, with small organizations and their, you know, high profile.

Something is innocuous is bringing the wrong batteries can mean mission failure. So, you know, it really influences the way, the way that you, you think in the way that, you know, I built, you know, my organization around trying to have that comparable level of attention to detail and selection process and high expectations.

And it's, it was the best thing that I believe I could have possibly done was to, you know, have the opportunity to be surrounded by people who just have no quit.

And, you know, and that there are many of them were, were older than me, you know, I was the baby. They did a, they did an age waiver for me to get into the unit when I was, I was 21.

So I was surrounded by guys that, you know, had been, been doing what I call the Lord's work for many years. And my team leader who, you know, was a guy that I still look up to.

He only ended up being my team leader for about three months and then was hit by an IED and paralyzed. So I as a, as a young sergeant got escalated into being a, you know, a team leader in, you know, America's national mission force.

Before I penned on e6 or had figured out how to get the wet behind my ears out of the way. So it's sometimes being thrust into that position, get influence.

Everything happens after that. And, you know, I think I was, I was fortunate to still have the influence of him and he stayed around even, even though he was, you know, doing wheelies in a wheelchair, you know, for a couple of years.

I still call those guys and, you know, and look for advice even though they're doing very different things these days and then I am.

Maybe we'll see him in the X games.

You know, hey, just throw some inspiration out there, bro, you know, you guys have that type of mindset, right? You guys are extremely athletes.

I talked to many alike in your world. And, you know, what it is that made you go in at a young age. So how old were you when you enlisted versus the 21 waiver, right?

So did you enlist at like a 17 year old?

Yeah, I did. So yeah, I joined the army at 17. It was, you know, everybody's going to know how old I am because, yeah, it's not, yeah, not to commonly known.

But yeah, I joined when I was 17. It was April of 2001. I came in originally as a weapons of mass destruction guys, so chemical biological, radiological and nuclear.

And I was in the second day of the reconnaissance course when September 11th happened.

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