Welcome listeners to the next edition of the editor's desk.

I'm Rusty Reno here at first thing, sitting, in fact,

at the editor's desk. And I have with me, Jade Henrichs, president of Catholic laity and clergy

for renewal. He served for many years, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops as Executive Director

of Government Relations.

And he has written for many publications, including First Things.

And we're going to talk about two pieces that he's written over the last couple of years

about Pope Francis and the American

Church. One, Francis does not understand the American Church from June of 2022. And why does the

Pope dislike me from August of 2023.

Welcome to the podcast, Jay.

Thank you, Russ.

I really appreciate it, and I'm grateful for the work that First Things does.

Oh, so well said, well said.

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and I'm sort of shocking to even think about it,

who do not subscribe to First Things magazine.

It is, it's kind of hard to imagine, but it is true.

And so if you, dear listener, are not a subscriber, you need to run, don't walk to the nearest subscription stand.

Or, if it's more convenient, first things.com.

Great.

Okay, so Pope Francis does not understand the American

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