The first thing I'd like to talk to Andrew about is maybe on this topic of boomers.

And I don't want to, again, I'm not saying that boomers are bad, inherently evil or anything like that.

But I think that there's just sort of a bubble that they get in that they don't realize that a lot of things have already shifted.

We're already seeing in the debate world, for example, things shifting.

We didn't used to have debate on TV. The thing I can think of was like maybe in the debate world, for example, things shifting. We didn't used to have debate on TV.

The thing I can think of was like maybe in the 80s, there was like, you know, these, you know,

William F. Buckley, 70s, in the 1970s, there was Buckley, you know, they would have these sort of

debates with him and, you know, whoever else that was supposedly on the left. But now we've sort of seen the resurgence of debate.

And one thing that I think Andrew is really good at, not just debating, but really being

with precision, honing in on topics that people assume without questioning.

And that is, in one case, the issue of rights.

I know that Andrews had debates with people like Tim Poole and Dave Smith and others,

where it gets into this issue of libertarian rights or rights theory.

And Andrew, why is it that you think this is so effective in terms of getting people to question what they mean of when they speak of their positions being based on rights.

So first of all, thanks for having me, Jay. It's been a long time coming that I came on and did this

show with you. So I appreciate that very much. Jay is also completely correct. He's been out

there stomping the guts out of progressives and atheists and everybody else for years.

I've been watching it with great interest.

We do run in some of those same circles.

So anyway, thank you for that.

Moving into the rights argument.

So the reason I like to hone in on this, on this idea that rights are a figment, at least how we perceive them in the term of positive and negative rights and

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