Jaron Lanier's ideas for the future

The Vergecast

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🗓️ 9 April 2019

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Computer philosophy writer and "founding father of virtual reality," Jaron Lanier, chats with Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel about why he's optimistic about the future. Lanier shares his thoughts on how the "manipulation economy" has reshaped the world we live in and why we should be controlling and profiting from our own data. Vote for Vergecast in the Webby's! as well as The Verge's Why'd You Push That Button? and our wonderful YouTube channel Verge Science Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Sabotage, hired goons and a landfill in Utah.
0:05.0	How Steve Jobs' revolutionary catastrophe of a computer, the Apple Lisa, earned a brief
0:10.7	second life and then was buried for good.
0:14.8	Watch the Verge's documentary, Lisa's final act, now on YouTube.
0:19.0	Hey everybody, it's Neili from The Verge Cast.
0:23.6	I'm super excited about this week's interview episode.
0:26.9	He's with Jaron Leneer, who is one of the early pioneers of virtual reality.
0:30.9	I mean like really early.
0:32.7	He's written incredible books.
0:34.2	One of the founding documents of the Verge in my mind is a book he wrote called You Are Not
0:37.6	a Gadget.
0:38.6	He lately has been working as an interdisciplinary scientist at Microsoft, but Jaron is all over
0:43.2	the place.
0:44.2	He's thought about everything.
0:45.2	He's been deep in it from the beginning.
0:47.8	And we talked about something that I think is really coming to the mainstream now, which
0:51.8	is the idea that the data you generate as a consumer and a user of the digital world
0:56.2	is valuable.
0:57.2	Then you should be compensated for it in various ways.
1:00.8	And you shouldn't just give things away for free.
1:02.7	And I think the early part of the internet was really about crowdsourcing as well.
1:06.4	Sharing economy as well.
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