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The Political Scene | The New Yorker

Janet Yellen on the Danger of a “Banana Republic” Economy

The Political Scene | The New Yorker

WNYC Studios and The New Yorker

Politics, Obama, News, Wnyc, Washington, Barack, President, Lizza, Wickenden

4.23.3K Ratings

🗓️ 14 July 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

In conservative economics, cuts to social services are often seen as necessary to shrink the expanding deficit. Donald Trump’s budget bill is something altogether different: it cuts Medicaid while slashing tax rates for the wealthiest Americans, adding $6 trillion to the national debt, according to the Cato Institute. Janet Yellen, a former Treasury Secretary and former chair of the Federal Reserve, sees severe impacts in store for average Americans: “What this is going to do is to raise interest rates even more. And so housing will become less affordable, car loans less affordable,” she tells David Remnick. “This bill also contains changes that raise the burdens of anyone who has already taken on student debt. And with higher interest rates, further education—college [and] professional school—becomes less affordable. It may also curtail investment spending, which has a negative impact on growth.” This, she believes, is why the President is desperate to lower interest rates; he has spoken of firing his appointed chair of the Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell, whom he has called a “numbskull” and a “stupid person,” and installing a more compliant chair. But lowering interest rates to further political goals, Yellen says, “are the words one expects from the head of a banana republic that is about to start printing money to fund fiscal deficits. … And then you get very high inflation or hyperinflation.”

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0:00.0

You're listening to the political scene.

0:07.0

I'm David Remnick.

0:08.3

Early each week, we bring you a conversation from our episode of The New Yorker Radio Hour.

0:15.7

This is The New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

0:25.4

Welcome to The New Yorker Radio Hour.

0:27.4

I'm David Remnick.

0:29.5

The Trump administration has just pulled off another sweeping change to the United States.

0:35.4

A few moments, we're going to make official the greatest victory yet when I signed the one big,

0:41.3

beautiful bill.

0:44.3

The budget bill, beautiful or not, includes cuts to social services that would have been unthinkable

0:50.3

in earlier Republican administrations.

0:53.3

Ten and a half million people will be kicked off of Medicaid

0:56.1

and the Children's Health Insurance Program in the next decade.

1:00.3

Snap and other nutrition programs will be cut by $186 billion.

1:06.9

Now, the foundational belief in conservative economics

1:10.4

is that cuts to social services are necessary

1:13.5

to shrink the expanding deficit. But the so-called big, beautiful bill is hardly an austerity measure.

1:20.9

It's a windfall for the wealthy. The Cato Institute estimates that it will add $6 trillion to the national debt.

1:28.9

That's $6 trillion.

1:30.8

So to get a sense of how this is supposed to work, I called up Janet Yellen.

1:35.1

A few people understand the American economy better than Janet Yellen.

1:38.1

She's served as Treasury Secretary, leader of the White House Council of Economic Advisors and chair of the Federal Reserve.

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