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The Tight Rope

Jane Elliott on why her Blue Eyes Brown Eyes exercise still rings true

The Tight Rope

SpkerBox Media

Society & Culture

5605 Ratings

🗓️ 6 August 2020

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Episode Summary In this episode, Dr. Cornel West and Professor Tricia Rose dance with their respected guest Jane Elliott on The Tight Rope. Known for her Blue Eyes/Brown Eyes Exercise and continued advocacy for anti-racist education and activism, Elliott debates with our hosts about the nature of racism and the language we use to discuss it. They wrestle with the inspiration of the present moment and the necessity to recognize the economic realities of the “lies” about race, along with the ever-importance of education. Join in the spirited conversation with “moral titan” Jane Elliott who emphasizes the possibility of change in our society on this episode of The Tight Rope.   Cornel West Dr. Cornel West is Professor of the Practice of Public Philosophy at Harvard University. A prominent democratic intellectual, social critic, and political activist, West also serves as Professor Emeritus at Princeton University. He graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard in three years and obtained his M.A. and Ph.D. in Philosophy at Princeton. West has authored 20 books and edited 13. Most known for Race Matters and Democracy Matters, and his memoir, Brother West: Living and Loving Out Loud, West appears frequently on the Bill Maher Show, CNN, C-Span, and Democracy Now. West has appeared in over 25 documentaries and films, including Examined Life, and is the creator of three spoken word albums including Never Forget. West brings his focus on the role of race, gender, and class in American society to The Tight Rope podcast.    Tricia Rose Professor Tricia Rose is Director of the Center for the Study of Race and Ethnicity in America at Brown University. She also holds the Chancellor’s Professorship of Africana Studies and serves as the Associate Dean of the Faculty for Special Initiatives. A graduate of Yale (B.A.) and Brown University (Ph.D), Rose authored Black Noise: Rap Music and Black Culture in Contemporary America (1994), Longing to Tell: Black Women Talk about Sexuality and Intimacy (2003), and The Hip Hop Wars: What We Talk About When We Talk About Hip Hop and Why It Matters (2008). She also sits on the Boards of the Nathan Cummings Foundation, Color of Change, and Black Girls Rock, Inc. Focusing on issues relating to race in America, mass media, structural inequality, popular culture, gender and sexuality and art and social justice, Rose engages widely in scholarly and popular audience settings, and now also on The Tight Rope podcast.     Jane Elliott Jane Elliott is an internationally known teacher, lecturer, diversity trainer, and recipient of the National Mental Health Association Award for Excellence in Education. Many will know of Elliott from the now famous “Blue Eyes/Brown Eyes Exercise” she devised for her third-grade class of all-white students in Riceville, Iowa in 1968. Implemented the day after Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s assassination, the exercise was created to help her young students understand structural racism on a personal level. Elliott has spent more than 50 years as an anti-racism activist, educating people about discrimination and unconscious biases.      Insight from this episode: Strategies on white allyship and what to ask instead of “What can we do? How can we get involved?” Details on Jane Elliott’s 52 years on the tight rope of fighting racial bias. Reflections on the repetition of history and the dangers of an educational system that is meant to indoctrinate racial bias and systemic racism.  Details on the racism of our language and alternative vocabulary for conversations on race.  Strategies on how to effect change after education has taken place and keep fighting in the face of entrenched interests and white privilege.    Quotes from the show: “If you’re committed to spiritual integrity, if you’re committed to moral courage, you’re going to fight every evil. And white supremacy is an evil.” –Dr. Cornel West The Tight Rope Episode #9 “I jumped off the boat a number of years ago when I said to my student

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They're ignorant. They need to be educated. They need to go to a situation where they find out how it feels to be seen as something less than perfect and live as a person who isn't on top. For even a half an hour, I've watched white supremacists, as they call themselves, go through the blue-eyed, brown-eyed exercise, and come out crying and sobbing and say, I didn't know, why did I do it?

0:22.0

And I say, now you know, a fool.

0:24.5

We are witnessing America as a failed social experiment.

0:32.0

How do we tell this story in a way that builds the kind of emotional momentum,

0:36.5

the colorblind ideology built.

0:39.2

So many young brothers and sisters of the younger generation find themselves so far removed

0:44.8

to the best of their past.

0:46.8

What are we going to make out of the nothing we've been given?

0:50.9

How do you envision possibility?

0:56.0

Well, hello there.

0:57.7

Co-hosts Cornell West.

0:59.2

How are you doing this afternoon?

1:01.4

I'm always blessed to be in dialogue with you.

1:05.5

I know.

1:06.2

It's my blessing entirely.

1:07.9

It's like the best gift of 2020, and it was a year with few gifts,

1:11.9

but this was the biggest ones.

1:13.4

So by far.

1:15.4

So welcome everybody to the tightrope.

1:18.0

I'm thrilled that you've dared to join us here and that you're going to get on the balance

1:23.0

rope with us.

1:24.1

I'm Tricia Rose and I'm here as I just mentioned with Dr. Cornell West, fellow Rose, and I'm here, as I just mentioned, with Dr. Cornell West,

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