every person listening to us is fully worthy.

Like we are born fully enough and fully worthy of 11 born

exactly as we are.

And there is nothing you can do to not be. In our imagination, this is our imagination.

Anything is possible.

This is our imagination.

Hi guys is Kathy Heller.

Welcome back to the Kathy Heller podcast.

So Jamie Kerelema is back on the show today and this is such a powerful conversation.

She's extremely vulnerable in this conversation and I think that you guys are just going to appreciate

what she has to say not only because it's really generous of her to be so honest but I think also because you're going to relate and I think this conversation is a kind of conversation that women should be having more often.

But before we get into that, I want to let you know that next week,

I'm doing a pop-up workshop called The Five Things You Need to Know to Have a Winning Podcast.

So if you've been curious about having a podcast, if you want to spend some time with me and learn a little bit of what helped me to create the show, what helped me to create over 40 million downloads downloads how this show became a multi-million dollar business,

you can join us for this workshop. You can register at Kathy Heller.com

slash Workshop. This is going to be on March 13th at noon Pacific 3 PM Eastern and if you register

you will get the replay so if you want to know anything about podcasting come to

this workshop. So for today's episode, as I said,

Jamie Kern Lima is back.

She's the founder of IT Cosmetics.

She's a New York Times best-selling author,

investor, speaker, and philanthropist.

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