This is London Calling.

You've really got to travel about and you really got to see what has happened in other countries

and what are the consequences of dictatorships.

In a sense of philosophy, that individuals are there for the sake of the state.

I think if you always keep saying that it's in the public interest that people should behave in a particular way,

you know you end up by being pushed around because

somebody decides that I know what the public interest is. You don't. Therefore, you know, you're

off the prison or whatever.

Welcome to London Calling with me James Delling Hall and my very good friend Mr.

Toby Young. Now tobs I've seen photographs of you on social media of you in a pub drinking beer is this correct I

the talk radio was broadcast from a pub earlier today.

And it was Mike Graham and Kevin O'Sullivan jointly hosting a show mid-morning and I was one of the people invited, one of many people

invited to be interviewed at the pub so yeah I was in a pub earlier today James for the first time.

And how many how many points did you have? No I didn't actually I have to say I'm such a

soy boy I didn't actually drink anything. Do you know I've always thought of you as a really hard drinker I mean

certainly compared to me you are well that's true you like a drink don't you? I'm not as much of a soy boy as you when it comes to alcohol but it was 1130 in the morning and I still haven't written my

Spectated column I've got to do something else and I've also got to do lockdown

sceptics and then of course there was London calling wanted to be relatively

compost mentors for this so I tend not to drink before lunch if I can help it.

No I've got a confession to make to you I have never ever ever been able to do that thing

that old school hacks used to be able to do which is sink three or four pints at

lunchtime and then write a coherent,

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