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The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie

James Fadiman and Jordan Gruber: Psychedelics Legalization Will Continue No Matter Who Is President

The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie

The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie

News, Politics

4.6713 Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

You've probably heard about microdosing, which involves taking a small, "sub-perceptual" dose of psychedelics like LSD or psilocybin on a regular…

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0:00.0

This is the reason interview with Nick Gillespie.

0:02.8

You've probably heard about microdosing, which involves taking a small subperceptual dose

0:08.0

of psychedelics like LSD or psilocybin on a regular basis to ward off depression, anxiety, and chronic pain,

0:15.3

or to optimize focus and boost energy.

0:18.8

My guests today are James Faderman and Jordan Gruber, authors of the new

0:23.3

book, Microdosing for Health Healing and Enhanced Performance. Jim Fadamon is a Stanford-trained

0:29.6

research psychologist who's been working with psychedelics since the early 1960s. He popularized

0:35.8

the concept of microdosing over a decade ago.

0:39.1

We talk about the mechanics of and the theory behind microdosing, its promise and its

0:44.2

limits, and how it fits into the larger psychedelic renaissance that's been flowering for most

0:50.0

of the 21st century.

0:51.9

We also discuss the prospects for legalization of, or at least cultural

0:56.1

normalization of psychedelics under the Trump administration. Here is the Reason interview with Jim

1:02.7

Fateman and Jordan Gruber. Jim Fateman, Jordan Gruber, thanks for talking to Reason.

1:13.6

Thanks for letting us talk to you.

1:15.6

Happy to be here.

1:17.6

So the book is microdosing for health healing and enhanced performance.

1:23.6

I think there's a, in a fractured America, there is a consensus that health healing and enhanced

1:30.1

performance are good things. Let's start with the basics. Can you, Jim, maybe since you

1:38.0

mainstreamed or popularized the idea of microdosing, what, almost 15 years ago in the psychedelic explorers guide.

1:48.3

Can you explain what microdosing is?

1:51.5

Yes.

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