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And boom, we're on. Today's guest we're getting around a koa how are we I'm okay thank you for having me

been a little bit nervous why I don't know for someone who's very outspoken being on

big brother book offer very political you have your say on many things in the UK I've been

speaking to your last few weeks I think you're sound sound out. I'm surprised, if I'm honest, because it's a totally different picture from what I see online because you seem very argumentative, very aggressive to certain things, and very strong in your beliefs, which I think is important. That's why these podcasts are important because it gives people an understanding of the way people see the world.

But how are you?

I'm okay and you know everybody says that when they meet me

you're nothing like what we've expected

we didn't expect this.

You're completely the opposite.

I'm actually quite shy.

I don't know.

There's probably, we've all got different parts

of our personality, different facets of personality and I I think that when I'm one-on-one with people, and especially with people on polarised points of view, we tend to get on. In the green room, I will get on with people from the hard right or, you know, right wing. And we really get on. There's always common ground. You will always find common ground with people. I think that's important. I think it's common sense for people to have conversations. And I'm not about the divide. I don't care about anybody. As if you treat me well, I'll treat you well. And there's extremists in every walk of life, every colour, every religion, every gender. You match energy. I match energy. So, you know, I'll be in the green room with Andrea Jenkins. We'll sit there and I'll make sure I'm going to talk about kids. Oh my God, where did you get you dressed from? And then we just sit there talking about girly stuff and we get on. It breaks the ice. And we're not talking about politics. We're not talking about because once you go down that route,

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