Hello and welcome to the psychology podcast with Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman where we give you insights into the mind, brain, behavior, and creativity.

Each episode will feature a new guest who will stimulate your mind and give you a greater understanding of yourself, others, and the world we live in.

Hopefully we'll also provide a glimpse into human possibility.

Thanks for listening and enjoy the best. Now I'm really excited to be speaking with my brother from another mother, James C. Kaufman.

Dr. Kaufman is a professor of educational psychology at the Neag School of Education

at the University of Connecticut. Before that he was at California State University at San Bernardino, where he founded the Learning Research Institute.

He received his PhD from Yale University in Cognitive Psychology in 2001.

Kaufman is an international leader in the field of creativity known for his research on such areas as everyday creativity,

creativity assessment, creativity fairness, and creativity and mental health, and just as a personal note to set up this podcast, James has been one of my most

important mentors in my life and I'm deeply grateful for him for that as well as

for being on the show today. Thanks James for being here. It is my pleasure

Scott. Absolutely pleasure. Man, we go way back. We go way back, don't we? I know. It's a marker to me getting older, yes.

Me, old me too.

But just how many years do you have friends, which is awesome though.

It has been a thrill to see you go from a grad student to one of the world experts and spokespeople for

creativity, intelligence, gifted it. It's been fantastic. Thanks, James. I mean, I

remember in my first year in grad school, Robert Sternberg, my advisor, we were talking and he's like,

another Kaufman. He's like, you know, I had a student, James Kaufman, who's amazing and you remind me so much of him, you to talk to him and I called you I asked if I could have a call with you and in that very first call we've ever had with each other you say hey Scott you want to a book? And we had like a book proposal plan for the psychology of creative writing right after that phone call.

I think it's because, you know, we're both interested in writing and creative writing in particular in plays and we had so many mutual interests.

That was fun. That was a lot of fun. That was one of the more fun books I've done as an edited book.

Me too, me too. We should do like a reprint edition.

I would be up for that.

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