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Jake Tapper on ‘All the Demons Are Here: A Thriller’

Larry Wilmore: Black on the Air

The Ringer

Society & Culture

4.83.5K Ratings

🗓️ 5 August 2023

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Larry is joined by journalist, author, and CNN anchor Jake Tapper to discuss his new novel ‘All the Demons are Here: A Thriller’’. They begin their conversation discussing how the book combines fiction with contemporaneous real-life historical moments, particularly the rise Rupert Murdoch's media empire and tabloid culture in the late 1970s. They then dive into the current indictments facing former president Donald Trump, beginning with the most recent one that focuses on the events of January 6th, and take a look at how close Trump came to pulling off the fake elector scheme he’s being charged for (13:59). This leads to a robust conversation about the prevalence of conspiracy theories and modern society’s reverence for them (23:05). After the break, Jake and Larry dissect the classified documents and Stormy Daniels indictments while shining a light on Trump's mindset when he was committing the alleged infractions (35:37). They end the pod by talking about the likelihood of Trump serving time in prison, his political charisma, and his chances of winning re-election (45:37). Host: Larry Wilmore Guest: Jake Tapper Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hey, welcome back everybody.


Always good to have just a good guy in the show.


Some of you, you know, lucky enough to consider a friend, a good guy, but also one of the smartest


people in politics and news today in journalism, Jake Tapper from CNN, welcome back to black


in the air.


Jake is so good to see you.


It's so good to see you again, Larry.


And I've been following your amazing career trajectory and it's been quite a sight


of a whole lot of it behind the scenes, but still amazing.


Well, most of my career has been behind the scenes and people, you know, how it is, you


know, being in what we do.


People get a false impression of what your life is if they don't see you all the time.




Like they panic for you.


Are you okay?


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