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Bulwark Takes

Jake Tapper Fact-Checked Kristi Noem in Real Time (w/ Jack Cocchiarella)

Bulwark Takes

The Bulwark

Society & Culture, News Commentary, News, Politics

4.71.2K Ratings

🗓️ 12 January 2026

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Jack and Tim take on Jake Tapper’s on-air fact-checking of Kristi Noem, the rush to label a protester a “domestic terrorist,” and the dangerous argument that being in a car now justifies lethal force.

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with Indeed. Hey, y'all. It's Jack Hatcherall with The Bullwark. Happy to be joined by Tim Miller. Unhappy to be watching somehow the most disgusting version of Christy Noem. I didn't know that she could step it up a level, but the smartiness is up. Tim, were you aware that she could turn that shit up to 11? Well, I'm seeing this live with you right now. I've seen a couple of these clips on social media. I love Jake Tapper. But, you know, it's Sunday morning. We all need some peace. We all need some peace in our life. You know, I try to usually catch up to things in the evening on Sunday. So I'm going in clean right now. And I take it at your word that she is going to sink to a new low.

1:15.2

I do think that's kind of challenging since she murdered her dog and then bragged about it and then lied about it.

1:16.4

It's a tough bar to clear.

1:20.6

But there was some, if you watch very carefully, which unfortunately we have to,

1:25.8

there were some very inappropriate time smirking from Christy. Noam talking about a woman being murdered in cold blood.

1:28.6

But I think the first clip kind of sets the tone for the feelings that she brought to this interview

1:32.9

with Jake Tapper, who gives some pretty good pushback on Noam.

1:36.2

But when she was asked about whether or not Jonathan Ross was disgracing a woman after he stole her life,

1:42.0

she didn't have much to say, but she gave some pretty gross looks.

1:45.1

Let's check it out. Is that Agent Ross's voice calling Renee Good a fucking bitch? I can't determine which one it is, but it could be, sir. Sorry, there. Is that Christy Noem in the interview there? Is that Jake with Christy Noem? It's hard to tell. She's updating her face monthly.

2:01.3

And last time I saw her, she was like under a big kind of Indiana Jones style

2:05.3

hat. I couldn't see her face. So I just, is that, is that the Secretary of Homeland Security there?

2:10.2

It is. I think there's some new lip work done. Okay, can we see it again then? I'm sorry,

2:14.3

I was caught off guard. I couldn't see her face. Can we watch it one more time? Is that Agent Ross's voice calling Renee Good a fucking bitch? I can't determine which one it is, but it could be, sir. She does seem like she's pushing back a smirk there. As you said, Jack, she does seem like she's pushing back a smirk. And again, it's just like there's no humanity in the administration. Not that it would make it any better. I mean, that they murdered a woman, but there's no sense of, I'm trying to think of like what you would say in that situation that would, you know, even if you wanted to be defensive of the choice that that Jonathan Ross made in that moment, you'd say, look, obviously, this is very regrettable, highly stressful moment. We do not condone that kind of rhetoric. But you know what I mean? Like you could do something like that, but that, but no, she doesn't even give you that. She just kind of like, kind of holds back a little smirk. Well, I think it's especially because I think they saw this as a win. I know we talked about this being so stunned that it was like their idea.

3:11.7

When we talked about this, what did you think it was AI when you first saw the club from his perspective?

3:16.3

Well, I didn't think it was AI, but I just wanted to make sure it wasn't AI because to me it was, it was so, I mean, it was the first video, from the start, I thought this was ridiculous, obviously.

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