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Welcome to the Bullwork podcast. I'm Charlie Sykes.

Big news day and we are joined on the podcast today by Jake Sherman, founder of Punchbowl news.

Jake has been covering national politics for more than a decade focused on reporting on Congress,

Congressional leadership, the politics of legislating. He is the co-author of the book The Hill

to Die on the Battle for Congress in the future of Trump's America, which was published back in 2019.

He is also a contributor to NBC News and most importantly, he's a guest on today's podcast.

So Jake, first of all, good morning. Thank you Charlie. Good morning to you.

Actually, see that's fake news right there because we're recording this in the afternoon.

And you are talking to us from the Congressional press gallery.

From the House periodical press gallery in the Capitol. Yes, sir.

So we can hear the in stained wretches moving around behind you.

The digital the digital stain wretches, Charlie. We don't even have much ink anymore.

Well, first of all, obviously you've been a very, very busy guy with a launch of Punchbowl news.

And you have had a very, very big week. Let's just dive right into the scoops that are really shaping

the news over the last 24 hours. Your interview with Kevin McCarthy, who had some rather

extraordinary things to say about the debt limit, Ukraine and immigration. So where should we start

with Kevin McCarthy suggesting that he intends to use the debt limit to force certain spending cuts,

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