This is Jacobin Radio, I'm Suzy Weizmann.

We continue our coverage of Russia's war in Ukraine as the reality of the carnage

and destruction sinks in millions flea but resistance grows.

Simon Pirani, who blogs at peoplenature.org, is a long time labor activist

Russia-Ukraine historian and a specialist on gas and oil.

He joins us for the hour to analyze the political and economic motives for the war, the ominous

signs in terms of war conduct from previous Russian wars in Chechnya, Syria, and the

Donbass in 2014, and we'll also look at the Ukrainian resistance and the anti-war

resistance in Russia.

We get Simon's take on this and so much more when our program returns in just a moment.

This is Jacobin Radio, I'm Suzy Weizmann, and very pleased to have Simon Pirani back with

us.

We're going to spend the hour with him continuing our coverage of Putin's war on Ukraine.

The shock of the war's actuality is now shifted to the shock of its carnage and brutality.

There's no other way to describe it, except as a criminal human tragedy that suddenly

and radically escalates danger, even as the IPCC issued its devastating report of the climate

emergency, giving the world more or less eight years to cut fossil fuel emissions in half.

So we are, as we record this interview, on day 17 of the war, Russian forces have intensified

their campaign of devastation aimed at cities and towns across Ukraine.

And as I mentioned, the utter brutality has only prompted more resistance and protests

in Ukraine and in Russia too, despite draconian repressive measures.

It's important to note that Russia is not winning militarily and has not been able to

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