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Jack Abramoff: Bringing Down the House Part 1

Scamfluencers

Wondery

Society & Culture

4.17K Ratings

🗓️ 9 September 2024

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Jack Abramoff got his start bending the rules while he was still in elementary school… and never stopped. At first, he works to advance right-wing causes he believes in. Jack’s principles start to fade once he finds his true calling: using pay-to-play politics to amass wealth and power for himself and his friends. Years before calls to drain the swamp, Jack Abramoff was The Swamp Thing.

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0:00.0

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0:04.6

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0:07.4

Sarah, do you know what a lobbyist is by chance?

0:17.0

You know, you'd be surprised to know that I do.

0:20.0

It's like a representative of a private interest and their job is to push government officials to pass laws and they use money to do it.

0:30.0

They promise certain things. It's like an exchange so that whatever they're representing gets

0:34.7

you know funded or legalized or whatever. I am actually surprised that you know what a lobbyist is and you knew so fast because it is one of those jobs that's like distinctly American like you and I never heard really about lobbyists that much growing up. It's like what's a comptroller? What's a district attorney? I don't really know what these words mean.

0:54.3

Yeah, I mean I'm sure we have some form of lobbying in Canada, but it is one of those things that is a bit

1:00.5

vague and I think kind of on purpose, you know? Well, Sarah, here's the good news.

1:05.5

Today, you're going to learn so much about lobbying that you're going to wish that you could

1:09.8

forget it.

1:17.0

It's June 2001 and Michael Scanlon is sweating hard as he runs across a fancy

1:21.2

racquetball cord in Washington, D.C.

1:24.2

Michael is a fair-haired guy in his early 30s.

1:27.2

He used to be a press secretary for a member of Congress

1:29.8

and currently has his own PR firm.

1:32.1

So he normally wears suits and ties.

1:34.4

Today he's in shorts and sneakers, but he's still definitely working.

1:39.3

Michael's opponent is a super successful lobbyist named Jack Abramoff.

1:43.0

Jack is about a decade older than Michael.

1:45.0

He's broad-shouldered and bulky with hawk-like features.

1:49.0

Michael and Jack are both athletic and hyper-competitive. The two are furiously battling it out,

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