The process of trying to do the people's will in the face of all of these choke points of power through which, you know, the woke rule, it's a new institutional consensus.

This seems like the movement that flies away from evidence.

It has used the container of Science Magazine, Nature magazine, to infiltrate all of this propaganda.

In my view, to make a false thing true,

would mean that we no longer live in a liberal, pluralistic society where there is both a right

to belief and a right to unbelief.

Hello, I'm Fraser Myers, Deputy Editor of Spiked.

I'm absolutely thrilled to be joined by Wesley Yang, author of The Souls of Yellowfolk

and the editor of the Year Zero Substack. Welcome, Wesley. Hi, thanks. Wesley, you've coined a really

interesting phrase, the successor ideology, which, I don't know, if I was going to be broad,

it sums up sort of wokeness, I guess you could say. Why do you pick those terms,

and what of the implications of it? It didn't quite get off the launching pad, so I still refer to it

as kind of my own private jargon. And, you know, it seems that the world has converged upon

woken to describe this phenomenon. But, you know, some years back before we had a real lexicon,

it was clear there was a kind of, you know, hyper-liberalism and various attempts to name this new,

this ideology in a new key that had emerged. And this was my attempt. It happened sort of, you know, it happened kind of fortuitously on Twitter, where I referred to it as a kind of successor ideology,

which wanted to, you know, captured the sense in which, you know, a language that was being sold as a form of liberalism was a kind of succession beyond it and a kind of a move where many of the, you know, key terms of liberalism were being sort of subsumed and consumed from within in a kind of, you know,

regressive movement that purported to be progress. And so, you know, we began thinking that in

order to make any further gains in a world where we were defining oppression,

you know, sort of gender and race-based oppression, as a kind of miasma that permeated of our Western inheritance.

It called for the redefinition of free speech as a pillar of white supremacy,

and, you know, suggesting that, you know, the scientific method itself was something that, you know,

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