From the ACLU, this is at Liberty.

I'm Kendall Seasmeyer, your host.

This week, as we approach the Thanksgiving holiday,

we want to challenge our listeners to acknowledge and honor the day as a national day of

mourning for indigenous people. The truth of this holiday isn't that white people from Europe

and the Wapanoag people in Plymouth, Massachusetts, sat down to eat a nice meal together,

celebrating a fall harvest. The true story of Thanksgiving

is one of brutal genocide, theft of land, and the beginning of a relentless assault on native

people and culture. This is a hard truth, but it is one we must acknowledge in order to reconcile our past and do better in the future.

So as we gather with family and friends, we encourage you to bring this conversation to bear.

Today we're running a conversation from our archive featuring indigenous artist and educator

Hossway Rivas in conversation with Molly Kaplan, one of At Liberty's old hosts.

Together, they discuss the importance of what stories get told, and who gets to tell them.

I hope you enjoy this conversation.

Okay, take it away, Molly.

Hosewe is a visual storyteller, educator, creative director, and self-described indigenous futurist.

He descended from the Meshika Otomi peoples.

He aims to challenge the, quote, mainstream narrative about indigenous peoples, and to be a visual messenger for those in the shadows of our society.

His work has appeared in The Guardian, The New York Times, and National Geographic to name a few publications.

He is also the founder of the 2018 Standing Strong Project, a tribute to the water protectors at Standing Rock North Dakota,

and co-founder of Natives Photograph, a database for photo editors looking to hire indigenous

photographers in North America. Today he joins me to discuss his work at the intersection of art,

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