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🗓️ 4 August 2025
⏱️ 62 minutes
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0:00.0 | Support for this episode comes exclusively from Upwork, |
0:05.0 | the world's largest human and AI-powered freelance marketplace helping businesses reimagine how work gets done. |
0:11.0 | Later in the show, we'll hear from a real-life Upwork customer, |
0:15.0 | a business owner who says that his company would not be what it is today without the professionals he hired using Upwork. You can see how Upwork is helping to reinvent work in the AI era at Upwork.com slash updates. |
0:31.3 | Not long ago, I watched a talk by Douglas Rushkoff called Weirding the Digital. |
0:38.3 | It was a eulogy for the early internet and the idea that it was going to make the world |
0:43.5 | smarter, more open, more connected. |
0:47.8 | I invited Douglas onto the show to chat about this talk and about how the chaos of the |
0:53.9 | early web was commodified and normified. |
0:58.0 | That's the conversation I wanted to have. |
1:02.0 | But what I got was so much more. |
1:06.0 | More expansive, more intense, more provocative, and more fun, really. |
1:14.9 | I'm Sean Elling, and this is the gray area. |
1:21.6 | Doug's a media theorist, author, and host of the excellent podcast Teen Human. |
1:26.9 | But more than that, he's a keen observer of the moment with a real gift for dissecting the system that shaped society. |
1:35.5 | It turns out his talk about weirding the digital wasn't just a eulogy. |
1:41.8 | It was more like a call to arms. |
1:44.3 | By weirding, he means rethink from top to bottom. |
1:48.9 | And by the digital, he really means everything. |
1:53.3 | And this conversation reflects that. |
1:56.2 | It is all over the place in the best sense possible. |
2:00.9 | And I'm excited for you to hear it. |
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