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‘It's not an injury, it's a disability’: the soldier blowing the whistle on the army’s Ajax vehicles

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🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

The British army’s new fleet of Ajax armoured vehicles was meant to be their new jewel in the crown: high tech machines for an army of the future. But after nearly a decade, and more than five billion pounds spent, the vehicles have been withdrawn after accusations they have caused life changing injuries to crews. Today, we hear from the ex-soldier who was once the head of testing these vehicles, speaking about his experience for the first time.


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Guests: 

  • Larisa Brown, defence editor, The Times.
  • Rob Page, ex-British Army lieutenant colonel in charge of the armoured trials and development unit, 2019-2021.

Host: Manveen Rana.

Producer: Harry Stott.

Read more: Army could have avoided Ajax vehicle injuries, says whistleblower

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0:00.0

From The Times and the Sunday Times, this is the story.

0:06.0

I'm Manvine Rana.

0:10.8

I can remember vividly sitting in one of the seats

0:14.5

as the vehicle kind of clicked through the gears from second to third.

0:19.2

I can remember thinking like, yeah, this is loud, and I can remember

0:23.8

feeling the vibration in my feet and in my back.

0:30.2

That's Rob Page, a former lieutenant colonel in the army who was in charge of testing tanks,

0:36.1

including the army's fleet of the brand new Ajax

0:39.3

Armoured vehicles.

0:41.0

They're supposed to be among the best in the world, but their rollout hasn't gone to plan.

0:47.0

And then a sense of the back door opening and getting out, getting back on my feet on the

0:52.2

ground and feeling like that is just very strange

0:55.3

compared to my 19 years of being on armoured vehicles.

1:03.0

Just describe how you felt when you got out.

1:06.1

Shock would be really strong but surprised feels too weak.

1:10.3

I certainly felt pins and needles in my feet

1:12.3

and in my lower limbs. Immediately, just like the soldiers had reported to me, you know, I had

1:19.0

concerns that this wasn't quite right. The Ajax program has been plagued with problems,

1:26.0

and just days after it finally got the go-ahead to be deployed in battle,

1:30.4

it was revealed that soldiers had to be taken to hospital after a test run,

1:35.7

with some experiencing hearing loss, headaches and uncontrollable shaking.

1:41.5

Whole body vibration is a strange experience.

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