Hi guys, I'm Gwyneth Peltro. Welcome to the Goop Podcast.

Every Thursday, Goop editors will be sitting down with provocative thinkers, industry disruptors,

and culture changers. I'll take turns interviewing barrier-breaking

guests as we talk about shifting old paradigms and starting new conversations.

Today's guest, Terry Real, is a sought-after family therapist and teacher, who has turned

the traditional therapist-patient relationship on its head, because he actually gets involved

and takes sides. He is known for his work on male depression in particular and the way

it can manifest in marriages. Couples often go to him during really tough

impulses when they are on the brink of divorce, and typically emerge from his office reconnected

and re-engaged with a new perspective on their partner.

People need to learn how to speak up with love, how to listen with generosity and not

defensiveness, how to repair when things go off the rails. These are all skills that

I teach every day. His unique therapy center, the Relational Life Institute, is in Massachusetts,

though he offers training programs and workshops around North America.

Terry's most recent book is The New Rules of Marriage.

I talk about what I call normal marital hatred. And I've been going around the country

talking about that for 20 years and not one person has said, hey, what do you mean by that?

Terry has a really brilliant way of shifting relationship paradigms, and today he's talking

with our chief content officer, Elise Loonin, about why men struggle with intimacy, what

causes romance to deteriorate, and how we can all strengthen our relationships.

After the conversation, I'll be doing a quick round of asking me anything. If you've got

a burning or totally random question you want me to answer, hit us up at Goop on Instagram

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