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Hello and welcome to the series. It's in the code, part of this podcast,

straight white American Jesus. My name is Dan Miller, professor of religion and social

thought at landmark college. And today, again, doing something a little bit different than

our norm. Last episode, if people haven't had a chance to check it out, I would invite

you to go and do so. But I'm interviewing Dr. Laura Anderson, the founder and director of

the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery. This is the second kind of a two-part set

of interviews. Again, a little bit of context for this. I do this work in, it's in the

code, quote-unquote decoding, a lot of religious language and experience that folks have. And

it really mirrors something I did as a practitioner with the Center for Trauma Resolution and Recovery,

working with the effects of sort of this kind of coded religious language. I hear from

a lot of folks about this and it can have a relation to trauma. I hear from people who

have been traumatized by religion. This is why they want to talk about the things they

want to talk about. I hear about from people who sometimes say that it was hard to hear

an episode because it turns out that something really struck a nerve with them. And so it occurred

to me that it would be good to spend some time talking with Laura about what trauma is and

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