"It's going to be a you-know-what-show"

Politics Unpacked

Anna Covell

News & Politics, Politics, News

4.4 • 1.4K Ratings

🗓️ 4 September 2018

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

As MPs return to Westminster, Matt Chorley assembles a crack team of former political spin doctors to diagnose the problems in their parties, and their long-term chances of survival.

Katie Perrior, who was Theresa May's No10 director of communications, insists the PM is dead set against a second Brexit referendum: "She thinks it's highly divisive, when you go back on democracy. But will she choose it over getting fired? I don't know, that's politics."

Paul Ovenden, who was a Labour press spokesman until after last year's snap election, voices his despair at the party's failure to get a grip on the antisemitism row. He explains: "The problem is it is not just any political issue for Jeremy Corbyn or the people around him. The foundation of their politics is the idea that the West is a force for bad, a force for disruption of the Middle East and Israel is a big part of that."

Vanessa Pine, a former special adviser to Sir Vince Cable in the coalition government, admits her party has not made the progress it should have done in the last year: "There have been self-inflicted wounds."

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0:00.0	Attention at all passengers. You can now book your train tickets on Uber and get 10% back in Uber credits to spend on your next train journey.
0:11.0	So no excuses not to visit your in-laws this Christmas.
0:16.5	Trains now on Uber. T's and C's apply check the Uber app. Hello and welcome to the Red Box Politics Podcast on the Times. I'm Matt
0:29.2	Chorley back to try to tell you what's going on in Westminster and why. MPs are back from their summer break and
0:35.3	every party seems to be even more a mess than when they broke up, of which more in a moment.
0:40.1	First a reminder, the next few weeks there are several chances to come and be part of the
0:44.4	podcast we're hitting the road during party conference season will be in
0:47.6	Liverpool on Sunday September the 23rd asking have we reached peak Corwin and on Monday October 1st will be in
0:54.5	Birmingham asking can the tour we survive and should they just go to my times
0:59.3	plus dot cut at UK for tickets which are available exclusively to time subscribers.
1:03.0	Then on Thursday October the 11th, join us for Red Box Live at the Cheltenham Literary Festival
1:08.0	and then on Saturday October the 13th, I'm doing a show called This Is Not Normal. For details and tickets go to Chelten festivals.com.
1:17.0	For now we're back in the studio in the news building, home of the Times, where we're
1:20.0	a crack team of former spin doctors to diagnose the problems in their parties and what the prospects are for their long-term survival.
1:27.0	I was delighted to be joined by Paul Orundon, who was a press spokesman for Labour until just after last year's election.
1:32.0	Vanessa Pine was a special advisor to
1:33.6	Vince Cable in government, but first back by popular demand. Thanks to Ralph
1:38.2	Dale who post a review on iTunes. I'm joined by Katie Perrier, former
1:42.0	number 10 director of communications to Theresa May, who was previously a media advisor to Boris Johnson. This is Katie Perrier.
1:49.0	It's crunch time for Theresa May as the clock ticks down to Brexit and Tories line up to rubbish her plan,
1:55.0	but she's got one thing going for her. Nobody's got a better idea.
1:59.0	So Katie, Theresa May, went into the summer with everyone moaning about her checkers Brexit plan, all the talk was of no deal,
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