The Michael Berry Show.

Welcome to our Saturday podcast, whether you're listening on Saturday or whenever it is you're getting around to it.

Always a pleasure to get to talk to you.

This week is a fun one.

Years ago, we were doing a story about John McCain's stranglehold on Arizona politics.

And it was about how they were controlling the state house, the state senate, the governor's mansion, who would get into Congress, and this, this kind of shadowy group that was, you know, like the Republican establishment in D.C.

And I had a listener who we tracked down named Jesse Kelly, and he had run for Congress

against Gabby Gifford twice and came within a whisker of beating her.

And it was about how the Republicans there didn't help him.

And they kind of worked with the Democrats to help her stay in office.

And this happens, right?

You've seen this.

Look at how many Republicans actually helped Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

You know, the Cheney's, Ken Sigger, look at all these folks.

So anyway, I had Jesse Kelly on the air, and it was a wonderful interview, and I told him who's very entertaining and very smart.

He was selling RVs.

There's nothing wrong with selling RVs.

But this was a guy whose talents were not necessarily selling RVs. His talents were processing and analyzing and commenting on cultural and political commentary.

So I began, I called him that night and we began a friendship and I began kind of advising him. And I advise a lot of people, and most people, frankly, don't take my advice.

They ask for advice, but they don't listen.

They have their own headstrong ideas.

And he did.

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