There's a practice called Neti Neti in Sanskrit, which means not this, not this, not this.

So it's questioning who you think you are, who you thought you were, and continuously going deeper.

It can be a lifetime practice because I see that we all get identified with various things at various

times like, you know, I'm a musician or I'm an artist. Well, that's true. But underneath that,

there's a deeper truth and a deeper connection to the essence of you.

I'm Jocelyn K. Gly, and this is Hurry Slowly, a podcast about pacing yourself, where I explore how you can find more calm, comfort, and clarity through the simple act of slowing down.

In the episode that opened this season a few weeks ago, I told you I was

going to come out of the spiritual closet and pull back the curtain on some previously hidden

interests of mine. And today, I am not hedging my bets on that promise. We're going to talk about

and hopefully add some crucial perspective around two topics that have been incredibly popular in the media of late,

psychoactive plant medicines and their relationship to self-transformation.

A little over five years ago, I went to the desert in the southwest to visit a woman and go on my first journey with the aid of ayahuasca, a plant medicine made from a vine indigenous to South America.

Four years later, I returned to visit with this woman again and go on a second guided journey with the help of the medicine.

Both experiences were utterly transformative, but not perhaps in quite the way you would think.

Today I'm joined by that woman, an incredible human and a wonderful friend who has been

instrumental in my personal development and in helping me let go of anxious thoughts, come back into my body, and find my voice.

She has guided thousands of people on healing journeys with the aid of the ayahuasca plant over many, many years.

I'll refer to her only as Elle because, despite the rapidly growing

popularity of ayahuasca ceremonies, they are still technically illegal to conduct.

For those of you who are longtime listeners, Elle is also the person who first asked me the

question, who are you without the doing? A question that was so

pivotal to myself inquiry that I wrote an entire podcast episode about it, which I published

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