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It Could All Come Down to North Carolina

Radio Atlantic

The Atlantic

Politics, News, Society & Culture

4.41.9K Ratings

🗓️ 10 October 2024

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

North Carolina has voted for a Democratic president only once since the 1970s. But the party’s dream to flip the state never dies—and in fact, could be realized this year. Polls show the presidential race in North Carolina is dead even, and Democrats are making a massive effort to reach more rural voters. “Doug Emhoff should just get a pied-à-terre here, at this point,” says David Graham, an Atlantic political writer who lives in Durham, North Carolina. Donald Trump can’t win without the state. And if Vice President Harris loses Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania, she’ll need North Carolina’s 16 electoral votes. In this week’s Radio Atlantic, we do a deep dive into North Carolina politics, culture, and scandals with Graham and Atlantic senior editor Vann Newkirk, who grew up in Rocky Mount. If the state goes for Harris, will it feel more solidly new South? And could our national election really turn on a local scandal and a tragic flood? Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/podsub. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

There's a direction to American presidential elections. We spend months thinking about the big topics, democracy, the economy, immigration, wars abroad, culture wars at home.

0:23.0

But as the election gets closer, our focus starts to narrow.

0:28.0

We wonder less about what Americans are thinking

0:31.0

and more about what Pennsylvanians and Arizonans are thinking.

0:36.0

And then we start to wonder about what people in Allegheny County or Maricopa County are thinking.

0:41.9

And the tighter the polls are are the further down we go and it is

0:46.0

tight right now it's close over about half a dozen swing states but the closest of all of them and one that has a very good

0:55.2

chance of being what pollsters call the tipping point, meaning the state

0:59.6

that could decide the election, is North Carolina.

1:03.4

And this will give you an understanding of just how close the presidential race is in the

1:07.1

great state of North Carolina in the Tar Hill state.

1:09.6

Look at this, it's Trump, but by less than a point, we're talking like 0.2 percentage points. It's

1:15.0

basically a tie.

1:16.0

Donald Trump almost certainly can't win the White House without North Carolina.

1:20.0

And if Vice President Harris loses Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania, she'll almost certainly

1:26.2

need this state.

1:30.0

I'm Hannah Rosen, this is Radio Atlantic, and today we're talking about North Carolina.

1:37.0

We're not used to this state deciding presidential elections.

1:40.3

With the exception of Obama's 2008 run, Democratic candidates haven't won there since the 1970s.

1:47.0

The idea that North Carolina could be the tipping point is a new feeling,

1:51.0

and I think that may be a little bit of an omen for the future.

1:56.7

That's staff writer David Graham. He writes about politics and he lives in Durham,

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