This is CBSI in the world, I'm John Bachelors, New York Times Headline.

UN asked for demand to be rescinded.

Israel has asked the Palestinians in North Gaza to leave within 24 hours.

Hamas, according to the New York Times, Hamas urges defiance of it.

We have right now a situation that requires for a great discernment of what is to be done.

I welcome Professor Richard Epstein of the Hoover Institution.

He teaches law at NYU in the University of Chicago.

He's very carefully helped me over the years understand how legal minds approach geopolitical

quantities and we are in one right now.

Professor, a very good evening to you, your conversations the last days on podcasts for

the Hoover Institution have introduced me to your thinking about proportionality and

excessive force when it comes to retaliating or responding to provocations.

Please explain in this instance what's changed.

Good evening to you.

Yes, I'm happy to try to answer this question where the word happy is used in quotes.

The way in which you always deal with international law situations is to start with their private

law analogies.

They're much easier to deal with and you get some sense of what is right and wrong,

what is easy and difficult in those contact, you then cautiously try to bring it over

to the international context and wars like this.

Well, if you start with the ordinary cases, the one thing that you know is unmitigated

bloodshed will never be excused by the fact that somebody has an underlying agreement.

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