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🗓️ 18 October 2023
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0:00.0 | The first thing that my mother asked me, when she saw me, I was like, oh my God, I'm |
0:27.4 | The first thing that my mother asked me, when she saw me after Hamas's massacre in Israel, was to promise that I wouldn't write or talk about it publicly, that I wouldn't make myself a target for some violent anti-Semite. |
0:40.9 | At that conversation with her, just a day or two after talking to my friends about whether or not they were going to keep their children home that week, because their kids go to daycare at a synagogue, and they're worried the daycare would be bombed or that an arm shooter would open fire. |
0:55.6 | That should give you a sense of what it's felt like to be Jewish in recent weeks. |
1:00.3 | Israel's 9-11, that's been the refrain, and I fear that analogy carries more truth than the people making it wanted to, because what was what was 9-11? |
1:10.1 | It's an attack that drowned an entire country, our country, my country, America, |
1:15.0 | in terror and in rage, it drove us mad with fear, and in response, we shredded our own liberties. |
1:22.4 | We invaded Afghanistan, we invaded Iraq, our response to 9-11 led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. |
1:31.2 | It made us weaker, it made us poorer, it made us heated around the world. |
1:36.9 | We didn't pull our forces out of Afghanistan until 2021, 20 years later, and when we left, we did so in humiliation and catastrophe and defeat abandoning the country to the Taliban. |
1:47.1 | Our politics still haven't recovered from the ravages of that era. |
1:50.9 | It was in large part the invasion of Iraq that discredited the Republican Party's leadership class, leading directly to the rise of Donald Trump. |
1:59.0 | 9-11 created a permission structure in American politics to do incredibly stupid brutal things, and we are still paying the costs. |
2:07.1 | Perhaps we always will be. |
2:10.8 | In the days after Hamas's attack, I was in Tokyo of all places, as far from the people I would gather with, to grieve and to process and to hurt. |
2:21.2 | So I was confined to following along online, which I don't recommend. |
2:25.5 | And what was so striking was to see how fast we were turning on each other. |
2:28.9 | How we became obsessed, not with what should actually be done, or even what was actually being done, but with what was and could be said and by whom. |
2:38.4 | I read and heard more about the idiocy of student groups and random academics than about what the right response here actually was. |
2:45.5 | And it's tempting to call that a distraction or a waste of time or a derangement driven by social media, but it's not. |
2:53.1 | This too was an echo of what happened in America after 9-11 and that era of flag pins and freedom fries. |
2:59.2 | Council culture is endlessly debated today, but the boundaries of speech and the penalties were stepping over them were stronger than. |
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