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amazing community. And with that, please enjoy this week's episode. And the What's up everybody? My guest on this episode of Hidden Forces is Charles Coppchen, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, a professor of international affairs at Georgetown University, and served as special assistant to the President for National Security Affairs in the

Obama White House and also served on the National Security Council under President Bill Clinton.

He is here today to talk about the subject of his latest book, isolationism, a history of America's efforts to shield itself from the world.

Professor Kupchen, welcome to Hidden Forces.

Very nice to be with you, Dimitri.

It's great having you on.

So for those who haven't read your book because I think, what is it, is it already officially

out?

Yes, it officially came out on the 1st of October.

Okay, so we're actually recording this today on the 7th.

For those who haven't read your book,

how would you describe it for our listeners

and what was your objective in writing it?

Well, I would say it's the first book to tell the story of isolationism across U.S. history.

I start with the French and Indian Wars in the 1760s and go right up to the Trump administration and the 2020 election that we are about to witness.

So for starters, it's simply a historical overview of this impulse that has been with the country since the very beginning,

and that is to avoid foreign entanglement, to operate on the principle that getting involved in the troubles of others only

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