Islam, Christianity & 'Philosophy'

Jay'sAnalysis

Jay Dyer

Arts, Education, Comedy, Performing Arts

4.6 • 823 Ratings

🗓️ 24 April 2021

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

In this video we discuss the often-used tactic by certain protestants and muslims alike of invoking the alleged ‘philosophy’ whether Greek or otherwise, which has supposedly ‘corrupted’ the Church of Christ’s doctrines. I have encountered several muslims who use this kind of objection such as ‘you are just doing philosophy’ (in fact this is exactly what Mansur did in his debate with Josh which I can not seem to find on YouTube in its original form anymore).

In so doing, we will demonstrate how ‘philosophy’ is merely being used as a polemical dirty word to poison the well, and that such an approach is not only self-destructive and highly fallacious, but also an impossible argument to make in genuine intent for dialogue. It is rather, I propose, a scare tactic to avoid questions of ultimate truth and blots out the sincerity of our discourse with one another.

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to Orthodox Shihada.
0:02.0	The title of this video is
0:04.0	Right Use of Philosophy in Religious World Views,
0:07.0	Avoiding the Cheap Pilemic.
0:09.0	It is often the case in Muslim Christian religious discourse
0:12.0	that the Islamic side will enjoy holding up the Gorgans' head of quote-unquote philosophy
0:17.0	to petrify his Christian interlocutor, case in point.
0:21.6	This concept of Trinity, triune God or God becoming a man,
0:26.6	and even dying for one's sins, these concepts did exist prior to Christianity,
0:32.6	and they existed within paganism.
0:35.6	I do want to point out that the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy's entry on the Trinity
0:40.7	specifically rejects this claim when it's applied to the Trinity.
0:45.5	There is a book called The Gospel in the Greeks by Ronald Nash.
0:48.7	He actually does a critical examination of the claim that Christianity borrowed elements of Hellenistic philosophy and religion.
0:58.0	So if you want a scholarly examination of that claim, I would recommend trying to get a hold of that book.
1:05.0	Brilliant, but I'm pretty sure you would acknowledge that the terms Oostia, the terms,
1:10.0	the terms, all of these metaphysical
1:13.2	terms are taken from Aristotleian and Platonic philosophy. The Christian church fathers
1:17.7	who were just using them as they existed. Well, they were using Greek language, obviously.
1:25.3	Language, philosophy, metaphysics.
1:28.3	Yeah, because I'm sure you're familiar with the difference between
1:33.3	the use of language and the use of like the actual ontology that is associated with that language.
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