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ISIS-K CAMPS OUT IN AFGHANISTAN: 1/8: Kabul: The Untold Story of Biden’s Fiasco and the American Warriors Who Fought to the End – by Jerry Dunleavy (Author), James Hasson (Author)

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John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 24 March 2024

⏱️ 10 minutes

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America’s chaotic retreat from Afghanistan in 2021 was nothing short of a horror show. Women and children were trampled to death outside the gates of the Kabul airfield. Desperate Afghans fell from the landing gear of departing planes. Taliban fighters mercilessly whipped and humiliated U.S. civilians trying to access the few square miles still controlled by American forces. Countless Afghan interpreters were abandoned to the mercy of the Taliban after risking their lives alongside American troops for years. And thirteen U.S. service members—eleven of whom were still in preschool on 9/11—were murdered in an ISIS suicide bombing that could easily have been prevented.

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0:00.0

This is

0:03.3

CBS I on the world with John Bachelor.

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Here's John Bachelor.

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It's January 2019.

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Zame Khalil Zad representing the Trump administration is telling friends that he has a peace deal with the

0:21.8

Taliban.

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This note is a way to begin the conversation

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with two authors, Jerry Dunleavy and James Hassan,

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of a new book, Cabot, the untold story of Biden's fiasco and the American warriors who fought to the end.

0:37.0

Jerry Dunleavy is helping the investigation by the House Foreign Affairs Committee into the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

0:45.4

James Hassan, former Army Captain, graduate of U.S. Army Ranger School, received the Bronze Star for his conduct in Afghanistan and afterwards.

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Gentlemen, I begin with Samuel Kalilzad because though he has served several administrations right now, he's no longer

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prominent in the conversation about Afghanistan.

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Jerry, what do we need to know about him and why he was tasked by several presidents to represent the United States in that part of the world.

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Good evening to you, Jerry.

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Good evening. So, Zalmei Cali Zad, known colloquially just as Zalma Cali Zad known colloquially just as Zao by the people close to him is a key figure in why things went so wrong in the final years in Afghanistan.

1:36.0

He had spent many, many, many years

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as a diplomat on behalf of the United States, not just in Afghanistan but in Iraq as well.

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But he was he was he was picked by the Trump administration to help lead peace talks with the Taliban.

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And, uh, Zow, very notably largely cut the Afghan Republic and the Afghan government out of those discussions

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with the Taliban.

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And so in our in our book Kabul we lay out that you know he ultimately played a very

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