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The Energy Gang

Is there an energy transition?

The Energy Gang

Wood Mackenzie

Alternative Energy, Tech News, 958784, Environment, Technology, Renewable Energy, Energy, Business, Sustainability, Wind Energy, Climate Change, Cleantech, News, Solar Energy, Innovation, News Commentary

4.6 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2024

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Fossil fuels still dominate the world’s energy supplies. Do we need different terminology to talk about what’s happening?

We talk about “the energy transition” all the time. But is that language misleading? 20 years ago fossil fuels were 85% of the world’s energy, today they’re just a few percentage points less. If there is a transition to low-carbon energy, it is happening only slowly, and it needs to move much faster to achieve the climate goals of the Paris Agreement. The world has made huge strides in both the cost and deployment of renewable energy, but can we really say that we are in a transition away from fossil fuels?

Host Ed Crooks is joined by Melissa Lott, a professor at Columbia University’s Climate School, and Amy Myers Jaffe, director of NYU’s Energy, Climate Justice, and Sustainability Lab, to discuss the way the language we use shapes our ideas about energy policy. Amy quotes her Tufts University colleague (and previous guest on the show) Kelly Sims Gallagher: “climate doom and gloom really disregards the progress that's been made”. That progress includes 56 countries, between them responsible for over half of global emissions, passing direct climate mandates to limit greenhouse gases.

But despite all that action, we still get the great majority of our energy from fossil fuels. The gang debate whether the current global shift towards low-carbon energy represents a real "transition", or maybe even a “transformation”. Or is it merely an addition of new energy sources on top of the existing ones such as oil and gas.

Ed, Amy and Melissa debate the feasibility of achieving net zero by 2050, considering the political and economic hurdles ahead. Innovations including carbon pricing, electrification, and advances in renewable energy technologies will play prominent roles in shifting us towards cleaner energy systems. Will they be enough?

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Energy Gang, a discussion show about the fast-moving world of energy.

0:08.0

I'm Ed Crooks. I'm joined today by Melissa Lott, who's a professor at the Climate School at Columbia University in New York.

0:14.4

Hi Melissa, how are you?

0:15.4

Hey, doing all right, Ed, how's your morning?

0:17.6

Very nice.

0:18.6

Beautiful day here in New York City, isn't it?

0:20.7

Really nice to be inside podcasting.

0:22.6

Not a good, we should podcast outside,

0:27.4

with the three of us are in New York.

0:29.2

Indeed we should actually, yeah, that would be good funny.

0:32.1

Just like, you know, you remember when you used to be in

0:34.0

primary school as it was for me elementary school I guess in America the teacher would say look it's a lovely day

0:39.6

why don't we going to have the class outside I always think about that. Great idea to be working outside

0:44.7

wherever you can. And you've also heard there the voice of Amy Meiz Jaffey who's the

0:48.6

director of the Energy Climate Justice and Sustainability Lab at New York University.

0:53.4

So also here in New York right now, Amy, how are you?

0:55.8

I'm great, Ed.

0:56.8

Great to be here.

0:57.8

Yeah, great to have you back again.

1:00.8

It's appropriate, I think, that we've just been talking about teaching because I want to start off with an inquiry into the meaning of words.

1:09.0

Hopefully not a completely academic exercise because I think there's some real practical relevance to this.

1:14.4

But I want to think about the words we use when we talk about the energy transition.

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