Now that you're looking back at this life after 80-some years, John, what do you make of everything?

I know you're not a religious man. I feel like you have our spiritual man to a certain extent,

but what do you think is the meaning of life? What do you think is the greater, the greater

part of this? It's a funny kind of way. I've always been interested, but I'd never been

strong-minded enough to really study it. And in fact last night, I started reading a book,

and I thought this is really what I want to be doing once I've earned enough money to buy

a little place in the sun, which I can't afford at the moment, because you know that was

crippling that divorce, $20 million. It's a lot of money, particularly if you work for the BBC.

Yes, 30 million. My favorite joke is I do a lot of work for charity most of the BBC.

But I was reading about last night. I'm not religious, but I would say if somebody said

you believe in God, I would say I don't know what that means. I do know that there isn't someone

up there watching everybody's transaction and making sure it works. But I think there's other

things going on, for example, I've been interested for 10 years, at least, in a group of people who

used to meet at Esselam on the West Coast. It was a very interesting discussion to help.

And I now definitely believe that some people have enough to life.

I don't know if everybody does. But it's not a religious question. People immediately start

thinking here talking about religion. No, it's a scientific question. What's the evidence for

afterlife? And I'm comfortable to the conclusion that it's overwhelming.

Have you ever listened to the audio tapes of Terence McKenna? He used to speak at Esselam

back in the 80s and 90s. He's not past, but he used to talk a lot about what is it all about?

And he used to also talk about psychedelics a lot that would make him think more deeply about

what it's all about. But that came to mind when you mentioned Esselam. Terence McKenna.

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