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Is there a hack for enlightenment?

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Science, Technology, Society & Culture

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 28 March 2022

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Vox's Sigal Samuel talks with scholars and authors Wesley Wildman and Kate Stockly about their book, Spirit Tech: The Brave New World of Consciousness Hacking and Enlightenment Engineering. They discuss high-tech tools like brain stimulation and neurofeedback-guided meditation that purport to enrich our spiritual lives, what possible risks they may pose to our psyches, and the ethical implications of technology-induced shortcuts to transformative meditative states. They also talk about whether such spiritual experiences are authentic rather than simulated, and whether brain-based spirit tech might help humans evolve as a species. Host: Sigal Samuel (@SigalSamuel), Senior Reporter, Vox Guests: Wesley Wildman (@WesleyWildman) and Kate Stockly (@KateJStockly), authors and researchers References: Spirit Tech: The Brave New World of Consciousness Hacking and Enlightenment Engineering by Wesley Wildman and Kate Stockly (Macmillan; 2021) SEMA (Sonication Enhanced Mindful Awareness) Lab, University of Arizona Center for Consciousness Studies (Dr. Jay Sanguinetti & Shinzen Young, co-directors) VR Church; Bishop D.J. Soto Enjoyed this episode of Vox Conversations? Rate Vox Conversations ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Subscribe for free. Be the first to hear the next episode of Vox Conversations by subscribing in your favorite podcast app. Support Vox Conversations by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts This episode of Vox Conversations was made by: Producer: Erikk Geannikis Editor: Amy Drozdowska Deputy Editorial Director, Vox Talk: Amber Hall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Can we get an authentic spiritual experience from technology?

0:06.0

I'm Segal Samuel and I write for Vox about the intersection of technology with ethics and religion.

0:14.0

And today, I'm your host for Vox Conversations.

0:26.0

Imagine that you're walking into a supermarket.

0:30.0

It looks kind of unusual.

0:34.0

The banner over the door says,

0:37.0

the scattered supermarket of special spiritual services.

0:41.0

When you walk through the aisles, you don't see food or drinks.

0:45.0

You see dozens and dozens of cutting-edge technological devices.

0:50.0

Each one claims to offer you a shortcut to enlightenment,

0:54.0

a higher, more spiritual state of consciousness.

0:58.0

One is full of virtual reality headsets.

1:02.0

Another is full of psychedelics synthesized in a lab.

1:08.0

Another is packed with neurofeedback headbands that guide you through meditations.

1:15.0

And another contains EEG caps meant to stimulate your brain into a peak experience.

1:25.0

This supermarket is a fiction for now.

1:31.0

There's currently no one place where you can go to buy all these devices.

1:36.0

But all these devices are in development,

1:39.0

if not already hitting the market.

1:42.0

Kids Dockley and Wesley Waldman are researchers at Boston University's Center for Mind and Culture.

1:47.0

They call these devices SpiritTech.

1:50.0

That's also the title of their new book.

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