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Coffee House Shots

Is the Taleban's success a surprise?

Coffee House Shots

The Spectator

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🗓️ 12 August 2021

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

The Taleban are continuing their advance through Afghanistan, and are on the cusp of taking control in the major cities of Herat and Kandahar. The group's fighters have predictably ignored the Doha Agreement, but has the speed of their success taken politicians by surprise, and how much of an embarrassment is the deteriorating situation for the White House and Downing Street? Cindy Yu speaks to James Forsyth and Isabel Hardman.

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0:00.0

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0:26.1

Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast.

0:30.9

I'm Cindy Yon. I'm joined by James Forsyth and Isabel Hardman.

0:34.4

So today, the Times is reporting quite an alarming headline that the US fears Afghanistan

0:39.5

could fall to the Taliban within weeks. James, this obviously comes in the aftermath of the Western

0:44.9

withdrawal from Afghanistan. And do you think it's happened sooner than we expected, the Taliban

0:49.4

resurgence? I think people are surprised by the fact the Taliban are advancing. The Taliban are not sticking by the so-called deals that they've made in these Doha talks. But I think what is surprised people is the speed of it. Joe Biden was determined that to continue this US policy of withdrawal from Afghanistan, to have US troops out by the

1:12.1

20th anniversary of 9-11. All for irony of this is that it now looks like you could have a situation

1:19.6

where Kabul has fallen to the Taliban again by the 20th anniversary of 9-11. And we now see reports

1:26.5

today in the New York Times that the US is attempting

1:29.8

to kind of negotiate with the Taliban to ensure that its own embassy is not sacked if Kabul were to

1:34.7

fall. Now, despite all of this, I don't mean there is any sign of the US shifting its own position.

1:40.5

Joe Biden has been very clear that he doesn't regret it, the decision to withdraw,

1:46.2

and that, you know, in the, in the, he persists with this kind of quite single swim after you,

1:49.9

that the Afghans need to kind of fight for themselves. I think it's also worth remembering that

1:54.5

Joe Biden has been skeptical of what the US can achieve in Afghanistan for quite some time.

1:59.7

There's a really interesting Tom Freeman piece written shortly after the pullout from Afghanistan

2:04.9

what was confirmed by Joe Biden,

2:08.1

which you discussed is going to visit Afghanistan with Biden in 2002

2:11.9

and a subsequent discussion they've had about that visit

2:14.3

and how that left Biden with a sense of how difficult it would be to

2:18.4

achieve much there and the like. And we also know that the famous conversation that Joe Biden

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