So Dave Epstein, can you give us a quick overview here at the start of the 10,000 hours rule?

Yeah, I mean, what you think about it probably depends a little bit on where you heard about the 10,000 hours rule, if you've heard about it.

David Epstein is the best-selling author of the sports gene and range.

Very roughly speaking, it's this idea that there's kind of no such thing as as innate talent,

and that when you see excellent performance, that's just the manifestation of 10,000 hours of practice.

That's sort of the most common version of the $10,000 rule.

And it has been name-checked and gets name-checked all of the time still today.

Like, I hear coaches and players reference this thing.

Literally every week, where have you heard it pop up?

There's not an industry I'm aware of that hasn't touched in some way or another.

I've gotten it on everything from solicitations from investment groups that go in detail about how they apply the 10,000 hours principles to how they choose investments, to a clothing company that I'm getting ads from every week now that embraces the 10,000 hours principles to how they choose investments, to a clothing company that I'm getting

ads from every week now that embraces the 10,000 hours principles.

You know, there's even an instance where a soccer coach showed me like a map that he had to

take kids, you know, from age 5 to 18 with exactly 10,000 hours of practice all the way to 10,000 hours,

the hit song by McLemore,

which I have to say is pretty catchy

and that I have run to.

I was made to slay them.

10,000 hours.

I'm so damn close.

I can taste it.

10,000.

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