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Capitalisn't

Is Short Selling Dead? With Jim Chanos

Capitalisn't

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Stigler Center, Chicago Booth, Socialism, Antitrust, University Of Chicago Podcast Network, Growth, 087667, Policy, Monopoly, Professors, Distortion, Research, Competition, Capitalisnt, Inequality, Promarket, Politics, Policymaking, Special Interest, Economics, Efficiency, Regulations, Chicago, Business, Markets, University Of Chicago, Kate Waldock, Capitalism, Friction, Bethany Mclean, Government, Macroeconomics, News, Education, Waldock, Georgetown, Microeconomics, Luigi Zingales, Zingales, Finance, Ucpn

4.5584 Ratings

🗓️ 15 February 2024

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

The Wall Street Journal wrote that “Wall Street's best-known bear is going into hibernation" after the legendary short seller Jim Chanos announced he would close his main hedge funds late last year, in part due to diminishing interest in stock picking. Short selling, which bets on drops in asset prices, wins when companies and governments fail and has gained a predatory reputation over the years. Just last week, the China Securities Regulatory Commission vowed "zero tolerance" against what they called "malicious short sellers," according to Reuters. One of our listeners wrote to Bethany with this question: “What does it say about capitalism if Jim Chanos can’t find enough investors willing to profit from its frauds, fads, and failures, not to mention the competitive forces that are necessary for a functioning market? Is short selling dead?” To discuss this, Luigi and Bethany sat down with Chanos himself, who has been cast as the “Darth Vader of Wall Street,” the “Catastrophe Capitalist,” and the “LeBron James of short selling.” Together, they discuss the relationship between short sellers and our information environment, the fallout from the "meme stock" craze, the effects of the Federal Reserve’s interest rate policies, and how short selling can contribute to market efficiency and resilience. Do short sellers play a positive role by uncovering corporate fraud, mismanagement, and systemic risks? What safeguards are necessary to prevent short-selling abuse and ensure fair and transparent markets?

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0:00.0

people's willingness to believe things that are too good to be true and look closely when everything is working and everything is making you money gets eroded in a bull market.

0:11.4

I'm Bethany McLean. Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism and whether greed's a good idea?

0:18.4

And I'm Luigi Zengalis. We have socialism for the very rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

0:25.2

And this is Capital Isn't, a podcast about what is working in capitalism.

0:29.2

First of all, tell me, is there some society you know that doesn't run on greed?

0:33.6

And most importantly, what isn't?

0:35.6

We ought to do better by the people that get left behind.

0:38.5

I don't think we should have killed the capital system in the process.

0:42.1

So Luigi, did you know that in 1609, a merchant contracted to sell shares in the Dutch East India Company in the future?

0:49.5

That sent the company's share price into a plunge.

0:52.6

A year later, the authorities imposed what people

0:55.4

think is the world's first ban on short selling. Actually, I did not know, but I'm not that

1:00.7

surprised because authorities don't like short sellers. And they have been blamed for every financial

1:06.5

crisis since the Dutch episode. During the US stock market crash of 1999, President Hoover actually condemned short selling in 1932. During the 2008

1:17.7

financial crisis, we have seen bans on short sales. We've seen CEOs of big Wall Street

1:23.4

firms blobbing to have bans of short sales. One declaration that I love is that short-selling

1:30.0

is an American, without clear why, but it's just an indication of how much these people are

1:35.2

hated. It's probably worth spelling out what short-sellers do, for those of you who aren't

1:40.1

versed in the intricacies of finance. Short-sell sellers borrow shares from a broker and sell them in the

1:45.0

market in anticipation that the price will fall. They then, if it works out, buy the shares back at

1:50.3

the lower price, returning them to the broker and they make a profit on the decline in the stock

1:54.8

price. The argument is that show selling creates a downward pressure on stock prices

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