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Capitalisn't

Is Private Credit In The Public Interest? with Jim Grant

Capitalisn't

University of Chicago Podcast Network

Stigler Center, Chicago Booth, Socialism, Antitrust, University Of Chicago Podcast Network, Growth, 087667, Policy, Monopoly, Professors, Distortion, Research, Competition, Capitalisnt, Inequality, Promarket, Politics, Policymaking, Special Interest, Economics, Efficiency, Regulations, Chicago, Business, Markets, University Of Chicago, Kate Waldock, Capitalism, Friction, Bethany Mclean, Government, Macroeconomics, News, Education, Waldock, Georgetown, Microeconomics, Luigi Zingales, Zingales, Finance, Ucpn

4.5584 Ratings

🗓️ 25 April 2024

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

The meteoric rise of private credit over the last decade has raised concerns among banks about unfair competition and among regulators about risks to financial stability. Historically, regulated banks have provided most of the credit that finances businesses in the United States. However, since the 2008 financial crisis, banks have restricted their credit lines in response to new regulations. In their place has arisen private credit, which comprises direct (and mostly unregulated) lending, primarily from institutional investors. Estimates peg the current size of outstanding private credit loans in the U.S. at $1.7 trillion. Private credit loans aren't traceable, and there are incentives to lend to riskier borrowers in the absence of regulation. This could lead to catastrophic spillover effects in the event of a financial shock. This week, Bethany and Luigi sit down with Jim Grant, a longtime market and banking industry analyst, writer, and publisher of Grant's Interest Rate Observer, a twice-monthly journal of financial markets published since 1983. Together, they try to answer if private credit is in the public interest.

Transcript

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0:00.0

The great overseers or our financial affairs are forever intervening and the accumulation

0:06.4

of these interventions introduce mispricings, distortions that ultimately result in yet additional

0:14.1

interventions.

0:15.3

And that's why capitalism isn't.

0:18.1

I'm Bethany McLean.

0:20.1

Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism? isn't. I'm Bethany McLean.

0:21.3

Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism and whether greed's a good idea?

0:26.6

And I'm Luigi Zengalis.

0:28.0

We have socialism for the very rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

0:33.4

And this is Capital Isn't, a podcast about what is working in capitalism.

0:37.1

First of all, tell me, is there some society you know that doesn't run on greed?

0:41.9

And most importantly, what isn't?

0:43.9

We ought to do better by the people that get left behind.

0:46.8

I don't think we shouldn't kill the capital system in the process.

0:50.6

So, Bethany, do you know that credit comes originally from a Latin world?

0:55.3

The Latin word, credere, means to trust, which at the end of the day, lending is an art of faith.

1:01.3

Which raises a question, of course, is credit a good thing?

1:05.4

I mean, of course it's the lifeblood of an economy.

1:07.9

Without it, people and businesses wouldn't be able to bet on a future, to

1:11.3

finance growth, to acquire an asset that has to be paid over time. But of course, too much credit

1:16.9

is a really bad thing. At the heart of, I think, every financial collapse, at least everyone I can

1:21.6

think of, is the provision of more credit than borrowers can pay back. Credit, at least in my view,

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