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🗓️ 25 April 2025
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Sheila Dillon hears the first exclusive readings from a Tudor ‘pamphlet of cheese’ that details the cheesemaking traditions of the 16th century, and reveals how cheese was seen as a nutrient-rich health food - from digestion aid to wound cleaner. Fast-forward to today, and Sheila visits Yorkshire cheesemongers Andy and Kathy Swinscoe to help recreate one of these historic recipes by hand in their dairy, as they discuss the significance of cheese history and how milk and cheese have a ’terroir’ just like wine.
While the Tudors believed cheese was inherently good for you, modern-day science is still exploring the evidence. Now, cheese scientists are producing ground-breaking research investigating links between cheese and the health of our hearts and gut microbiome. But making cheese today is a tough job, from complying with food safety rules to the challenges of setting up and maintaining a small business. Sheila speaks to renowned cheesemaker Martin Gott to hear the strange tale of how gave up his career in the UK to set up the first ever organic creamery in Oman. Are we losing our cheesemakers just at the point when we’re rediscovering more about its potential health benefits?
Sheila’s journey to find out how our cheese heritage faltered takes her to the Middle East, Japan and finally back to Yorkshire, where a new raw milk cheesemaker sparks hope for the future.
Presented by Sheila Dillon and produced by Nina Pullman for BBC Audio in Bristol.
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1:01.1 | If someone says the Tudors, what do you think? |
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1:14.4 | no. So when we got a call to say the food program could have the first listen to readings from a |
1:20.9 | chuder pamphlet of cheese written by someone in the 16th century, we don't know who, and newly transcribed by a team of |
1:29.6 | experts almost 500 years later, our interest was pete. |
1:34.7 | I'm Sheila Dillon, and in this edition, we're returning to a subject I've covered many times |
1:39.7 | before, the heritage and the health benefits of cheese. |
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