All right. We are live. We're live on YouTube. We're live on Facebook. We're live right here on X. We are

live on Rumble. It's good to see everybody. Thank you for tuning in to this special episode of the

Liz Wheeler show today. I'm your host, Liz Wheeler. As promised, we have Nicole Shanahan,

host of the Back to the People podcast, joining us live in just a moment.

And I've been looking forward to this episode because Nicole Shanahan and I share a very

similar worldview when it comes to our outlook on all things health and health care and medical.

We agree on the chronic health crisis, the epidemic that's facing our country.

We agree on the corruption of big food and big pharma.

We agree that something different needs to be done because our children are being hurt.

Not just our children, but primarily our children are being hurt.

However, Nicole Shanahan and I disagree on President Trump's

nominee for Surgeon General, Dr. Casey Means, who Trump appointed after he withdrew Dr.

Jeanette Nishiwat from the position. And one of the joys of podcasting is that you don't just

present the results of your train of thought. You don't say, here's my

position. And she says, here's my position. And then people are saying, okay, who do we believe?

Who's right? Whose thought process do I most align with? The joy of podcasting is you get to share

that thought process before it even gets to the result. And so that's what Nicole and I are going to do

today. We're each going to talk about our perspective on Dr. Casey Means and why we each feel

that our position is important. We'll be bringing her on live in just a moment. Today's episode is

sponsored by Crowd Health. I told y'all that my husband and I quit our health insurance late last year.

We just one day called up and said, we're done. We quit. Health insurance is confusing.

I don't need to tell you it's expensive. It's super frustrating. And claim denials are becoming more and more common.

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