Hello, I'm Rory Stewart, and I'd like to tell you about an intelligent squared event

I'm doing with the classicist author and broadcaster Mary Beard. Together we'll be discussing

politics and power from the Caesars to Sunack, who gets to Winpar, who is excluded,

does power always corrupt, or other examples of leaders who've maintained their integrity while

an authority. And how does the nature of power vary across different times and cultures?

These are just some of the questions that Mary and I will be trying to answer.

In person tickets are now sold out, but you can still watch online on the 13th of November

at 7pm BST. Put your questions first live as we discuss power and politics down the edges.

We're living in a time when the mass migration of people across borders has been greatly restricted

as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. So in this week's debate, we wanted to take a step back and

look at whether the mass migration of people and movement across borders makes the world a better

place. Speaking in favour of migration, we had Felix Markhart, author of the new nomads and

speaking against David Goodhart, one of the most thought-provoking intellectuals looking at the

negative impacts of mass migration. The discussion was chaired by Jenny Cleeman, author of Sex Robots

and Vegan Meat, and you can find links for all our speakers' books in the podcast description.

But now let's go to the episode.

David Goodhart, he is a journalist, commentator and author, he's the founder and former editor

of Prospect magazine. His books include The Road to Somewhere, and most recently head hand

heart, the struggle for dignity and status in the 21st century. So perhaps we should begin with

obviously we're living through very very strange times. Migration hasn't really been

possible in a conventional sense, in a legal sense as a result of the pandemic for the past

14, 15 months. So I want to ask both of you to begin with how the pandemic has changed your view

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