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Hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day,

including the summer long race to be tough on illegal migration,

and why the Blair Brown feud has new young fans on social media.

And joining me, two times journalists, as comfortable talking about the 90s and naughties politics as they are about TikTok.

It is Charlotte Ivers. Hello, Charlotte. Hello. And Seb Hello Charlotte. Hello, Seb. What's TikTok, Hugo? We'll explain it later. It's basically like, it's moving pictures. It's like the TV on your phone and shorter. Wow, and it's not silent, it has words as well. They have the talkies on TikTok now. Unbelievable. Is it colour? It is colour.

Wow.

Some people believe there's a little man inside your phone doing all the actions. Spinning around a little wheel. We can reveal otherwise, yes. Very good. Very exciting. You're younger than me, for God's sake, and considerably so. Absolutely shocking. Charlotte, how are you? I'm very well, thank you. I don't know who Tony Blair is, so this is going to be a fun.

Enjoy what I was born.

He came into power when I was two.

Did he really? Wow. Well, what a dream panel. I was, I was six years old when he came into power. Really? Yeah. Good Lord. I was, I was, I was, what was I was 97? I was 20. there we go. But what did happen was when I was a teenager, my first sort of getting very excited about a,

as I believed it, a topic in history was reading all of the memoirs that came out after the

Blair and Brown governments had finished.

So I get these teenagers who are super into it.

So this was sort of how I spent my kind of 14, 15 year old years, reading all of them,

Alasa Campbell Diaries, all that stuff. Hold that thought, because we're definitely going to be talking about it later. And also by then, I should have managed to conquer the expression of incredulity across my face when you said just that. Let's start by talking about big, big news today, which is, of course, about migration. The government's had its second announcement on migration in two days. Over the weekend, they said foreign criminals are going to be deported immediately after

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