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Mr Speaker, does the Prime Minister believe that when an organisation descends into total shambles,

the person at the top should resign.

That is Kemi Badernock, talking about the Treasury and the person at the top being the

Chancellor, Rachel Reeves, on whether she should resign.

She's been accused of misleading the public, politicians, and even one or two of her own cabinet ministers have said they

were misled. But today we hear from one, the Justice Secretary, David Lammy, with a very

clear message to those cabinet colleagues. Stop it. It doesn't help the business of getting on with governing.

Feeling cozy with journalists and having a drink and bitching about colleagues is not

conducive to getting on with the business and serving the people of this country.

So I can't stand it. I don't do it myself and it's deeply counterproductive.

In an exclusive interview today, David Lammy talks to us about his plans for jury trial,

about the state of his party, the state of the government, and what's gone wrong. Welcome to the

newsagents. The news Agents.

It's John. It's Emily.

And today the news agents decamped to the offices of the Justice Secretary,

overlooking St James's Park, all rather spectacular,

to sit down and talk to him not just about his plans for reforming the justice system,

but also going much wider than that.

Yeah, David Lammy's woken up this morning to find himself accused of making a massive mistake,

not just by the opposition, but by Labour MPs and by peers, after announcing those radical

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