In the investment space and in the Twitter space, the people that I find most worrying are

those who self-consciously think of it as a game?

Like I'm just trying to win.

These are my points.

Like I'm just playing the game and not thinking about the fact that the things that they're

calling points are attached to incredibly consequential material reality.

I'm Chris Hill and that's C.T. Nuen, professor of philosophy at the University of Utah,

and author of the book Games, Agency as Art.

David Gardner, co-founder and chief rule breaker here at the Motley Fool caught up with

Nuen to talk about the games you may not know you're playing and the consequences of

racking up points on Twitter.

They also debate whether investing counts as a game.

Today's episode comes from David's weekly podcast, Rule Breaker Investing.

In the show notes of today's episode, you will find a link to the full conversation.

So let's talk a little bit about abstraction because that's sort of happening with games.

After all, a game designer decides to create along a theme some kind of a rule set which,

if you and I read the rules and I'm always the one in my gaming group who does.

I buy games sometimes just to read the 32 page rulebook and it doesn't even make sense

because these days they're all on PDF but I still buy the game.

Still in shrink wrap in many cases but I'm going to open it.

I at least want to read the rulebook.

So you have somebody who's thought through a system and if it's published, if it's a

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