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The Daily

Is China Really Freeing Uighurs?

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.3107.7K Ratings

🗓️ 15 August 2019

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Under international pressure, China has said it has released a vast majority of the Muslim Uighurs it had placed in detention camps. We follow up with an American citizen who says the Chinese government cannot be trusted, and find out how Beijing’s propaganda machine has responded to his efforts to protect a relative who was detained. If you missed the previous interview, listen to it here. Guest: Paul Mozur, a technology reporter for The New York Times based in Shanghai, spoke with Ferkat Jawdat, a Uighur and American citizen who lives in Virginia. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Background reading: Reporters from The Times found, over seven days of traveling through the Xinjiang region, that the vast network of detention camps erected by the government of China’s authoritarian leader, Xi Jinping, continues to operate, and even expand.China’s most recent campaign echoes tactics used by other countries, principally Russia, to inundate domestic and international audiences with bursts of information, propaganda, and in some cases, outright disinformation.

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Michael Bavaro. This is The Daily.

0:10.2

Today, under international pressure, China says it has released the vast majority of Muslim

0:18.2

U.S. citizens from detention camps. Why the family of one detainee says that China cannot be trusted.

0:31.6

It's Thursday, August 15th.

0:34.1

Hello.

0:44.1

Hey, Paul, it's Michael. Hey, Michael, how you doing? Good. How are you?

0:48.1

Not too bad. Paul Moser is a Times correspondent based in Shanghai.

0:53.6

So Paul, the last time we talked, you introduced us to a man named Faircat Joddad.

0:58.9

Can you remind us of history? Yeah, so Faircat comes from Western China. He's a

1:04.7

weaker, which is a Muslim ethnic group out there. Faircat actually moved with most of his

1:09.9

family in the early 2000s to the United States to Virginia, but they weren't able to bring

1:14.7

along his mother. She was not given a passport, so she stayed behind out in a Western area of China

1:20.8

called Xinjiang. And in recent years, the Chinese government has cracked down in tightened

1:26.1

security in Xinjiang very intensely. American officials say wegers face pervasive surveillance,

1:31.4

checkpoints entering public places like markets and mosques, identity card checks, and facial scans.

1:37.4

This is partially because there's been quite a bit of violence there and the sort of ethnic

1:41.2

clashes and tensions between the wegers and Chinese in that area. And about 15 months ago,

1:48.5

his mother disappeared into what the Chinese government calls a reeducation camp.

1:53.9

Evidence is growing that up to a million Muslim weekers are being held by Chinese authorities

1:58.4

in so-called reeducation camps. Inside, detainees have said torture and political indoctrination

2:04.8

is routine. Critics say the camps are part of Beijing's attempt to eliminate Islam in China.

2:11.1

She basically was thrown into what is a large network of camps that have pulled in about a million

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