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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics podcast. I'm Cindy Yu, and I'm joined by James LeSythe and Katie.

So the three of us are back from Manchester now, James and Katie.

How did you think conference went, and having had both conferences, where do you think

the two parties are, respectively? Katie, do you want to go first?

I think the reaction, so the next day reaction to Boris Johnson's speech is interesting

because a lot of people again picking up on the fact that it was a positive, joke-filled speech.

But I think now that you've moved past the immediate, you know, people are being very pumped

up in the hall after, more criticism of the fact it was so policy light of, you know, people being very pumped up in the hall after. More criticism with the fact

it was so policy lights, you know, when you see energy prices rising as they currently are,

did he go near these difficult problems? And is it going to be, as James touched on,

the pockets yesterday, a little tone deaf if we are heading to their territory. I think in terms of those two conferences,

they haven't really moved the dial in the sense. You still have Boris Johnson as, you know,

the one to be comfortably in front in charge of his party and Kirstama, he's struggling to cut

through. But I do think when it came to Kirstama, he has still made some progress just in the sense that

he has managed to redo some of the party machinery, so it's harder to de-select an MP, and

his team feels that they've marginalised left further. And I think we could start to see that in

terms of perhaps some boldness and what Kirstama does.

Now that may be just, you know, I may be projecting in that sense,

but I do think that when you speak to those around Kirstama,

they definitely feel as though they have had to watch what they say,

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