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Last cycle was an 80% decline.

Since then, Bitcoin volatility has fallen by about half.

So for my simple view, you know, if volatility is down by half, then maybe the correction

is half as big and 40% feels like a reasonable chance to take a shot on a risk reward basis.

It has the added benefit of also being...

What's going on, guys?

Today we've got a great episode with Matthew Siegel.

He is the portfolio manager of the Vanek-on-chain economy ETF, Node, N-O-D-E.

In this conversation, he gives us a better understanding. How are institutions thinking about Bitcoin? How are they thinking about the market action? What are the three things that he's doing to evaluate, whether Bitcoin's going up, down, or sideways? Has he thinking about buying Bitcoin when there's lots of chaos and uncertainty? And then we talk about public equities that relate to crypto. What is he interested in? What's he buying? What are the correlations and what are the risks? And then of course we got to go and we got to talk about public equities that relate to crypto. What is he interested in? What's he buying?

What are the correlations? And what are the risks? And then, of course, we got to go and we got to talk about the debt. Who does he think are the winners? Who does he think are going to be the losers? And how should you think about these in your portfolio? And then we finish up talking about the rest of the crypto ecosystem, everything from smart contract platforms, stable coins, and much, much more. This conversation is filled with insights. Matthew Siegel is here and this is our latest

conversation. system, everything from smart contract platforms, stable coins, and much, much more.

This conversation's filled with insights. Matthew Siegel is here, and this is our latest conversation. All right, Matt, I thought a great place to start the conversation is everyone's wondering, how are institutions thinking about Bitcoin right now? There's a lot of mixed signals, some positive data points, some negative data points, price action is pretty ugly, people are feeling a lot of pain. How are you, Vanek, and kind of institutions in general thinking about Bitcoin and an allocation to the asset at the moment? In terms of investor

interest, I would still describe it as very high, the number of requests for educational content,

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