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NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast

IRA Conversion Strategies and Reading Economic Signals During a Shutdown

NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast

NerdWallet Personal Finance

Investing, How To, Education, Business

4.3 • 895 Ratings

🗓️ 13 November 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Discover how current economic data affect you and decide if a Roth or Traditional IRA is the most appropriate option for your retirement savings. What’s happening with layoffs and the economy right now? How should you be thinking about the data used to determine the economy's health, and what does it mean for your personal finances? Hosts Elizabeth Ayoola and Sean Pyles discuss non-traditional financial indicators and Roth IRAs versus Traditional IRAs to help you understand the current economic landscape and make smarter retirement contribution choices. First, Elizabeth shares her conversation with NerdWallet senior economist Elizabeth Renter about how we can gauge the health of the U.S. economy based on private sector data in the midst of the government shutdown. They talk about labor market nuances, layoff announcements, and how we can use consumer sentiment  figures when hardly any other federal economic data are available. Then, investing Nerd June Sham joins Sean and Elizabeth to discuss retirement funding options. They weigh prioritizing retirement accounts for contributions, when to choose Roth vs. Traditional contributions, and the benefits and trade-offs of Roth conversions. The discussion covers the tax differences between Roth and traditional accounts, guidelines for deciding which to use based on your current and projected future tax bracket, and reasons why someone might convert a Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA, such as avoiding Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs), and strategies for timing conversions. Want us to review your budget? Fill out this form — completely anonymously if you want — and we might feature your budget in a future segment! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScK53yAufsc4v5UpghhVfxtk2MoyooHzlSIRBnRxUPl3hKBig/viewform?usp=header In their conversation, the Nerds discuss: 401k, retirement savings, retirement account, investing, financial freedom, tax-free withdrawals, tax planning, high income, contribution limits, Roth conversion ladder, self-employed retirement, employer match, investment options, Solo 401k, simple IRA, taxable events, Medicare premiums, ADP employment report, Chicago Fed Nowcast, stock market, corrugated box indicator, champagne indicator, men's underwear index, capital gains, estate planning, price growth, economic cooling, market stability, inflation, household finances, unemployment, and job cuts. To send the Nerds your money questions, call or text the Nerd hotline at 901-730-6373 or email podcast@nerdwallet.com. Like what you hear? Please leave us a review and tell a friend. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

The list of choices for retirement savings is like a menu.

0:04.8

And sometimes it's hard to decide what's going to work best for you.

0:09.2

So today we're going to look at Roth IRAs versus traditional IRAs as savings vehicles.

0:20.5

Welcome to NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast, where you send us your money questions,

0:24.8

and we answer them with the help of our genius nerds.

0:28.3

I'm Elizabeth Ayola.

0:30.5

Later this episode, we'll be discussing traditional IRAs versus Roth IRAs and how to know what's best for your situation.

0:39.5

But first up, we have our weekly Money news roundup where we break down the latest in the world of finance to help you be

0:44.0

smarter with your money. Now, since the government shut down on October 1st, we've had almost no

0:49.6

federal economic data, which means we have to rely on private sector data to get a picture of how

0:55.2

the economy is actually doing.

0:57.2

Today, as the shutdown may be ending, nerd wallet economist Elizabeth Renter is here,

1:02.4

and she's going to talk about what some of that data, including some non-traditional indicators,

1:07.9

signal about where the economy is today.

1:10.4

Hey, Elizabeth, fellow Elizabeth, welcome

1:12.4

back to smart money. Hey, thanks, Elizabeth. It's great to be back. Let's start with recent labor

1:18.2

data. Last week, there was a report from ADP, a management services company, and I want you to

1:24.4

tell us about some of the findings of that report. The ADP employment report showed a gain of 42,000 jobs in October, which is good, but I'd

1:33.0

stop short of calling it strong.

1:35.1

The reason being, these gains were pretty narrow, meaning they were concentrated across

1:39.1

just a few industries, primarily health care, education, and trade and transportation. It's important when we talk about

1:46.4

any economic data set, including this alternate labor market data, that we understand the

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