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Decoder Ring

Introducing The Sporkful | Is Your Recipe Lying To You?

Decoder Ring

Slate Podcasts

Documentary, History, Society & Culture

4.62K Ratings

🗓️ 9 July 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

If you look at any list of best-selling cookbooks, certain words come up over and over again: quick, easy, fast, effortless. But is it actually possible to deliver deliciousness in no time? Or are these recipes too good to be true? This week, The Sporkful talks with intrepid journalist Tom Scocca, who exposed the dirty secret about caramelized onions; recipe-writing legend Christopher Kimball; and food writer (and mom) Elizabeth Dunn, who’s sick of feeling bad when a recipe turns out to be harder than she expected. And we ask: Why do recipes that look simple on paper turn out to be very different once you get into the kitchen? Tom Scocca is the editor of Indiginity, and you can read his Slate story about caramelizing onions here. Christopher Kimball is the founder of Christopher Kimball’s Milk Street. Elizabeth Dunn co-writes the newsletter Consumed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, it's Willa. We have a treat for you today, an episode of The Sporkful, hosted by Dan

0:05.9

Paschman. The Sporkful is a show about food that I think Decoder Ring listeners will really like

0:11.0

if they don't already. It's not for foodies, it's for eaters. And Dan also digs deep into culinary

0:17.8

topics, some of them hiding in plain sight that can tell us more about people

0:22.3

and the world we live in. Some recent episodes, I think, might be up your alley, include the story

0:27.3

of Hydrox cookies. Lots of people think Hydrox cookies ripped off Oreos, but that's exactly

0:33.6

backwards. And the story of how that happened includes one of the most bitter rivalries in the

0:39.1

snack food business. Dan has also looked into the story of the humble Kalachi, a pastry that went

0:45.1

from Central Europe to West Texas and is now slowly making its way to Brooklyn. But the episode

0:51.3

we have for you today is about a pressing question all its own.

0:56.0

Is your recipe lying to you? In this episode, Dan talks to an intrepid journalist right here

1:02.2

at Slate, who exposed the big fib about how long it takes to caramelize onions. Dan then gets the

1:08.7

inside scoop on why there's a disconnect between what a recipe says

1:12.0

will happen, how long it will take, how hard it will be, and what really does. I think you'll

1:17.5

really enjoy it. I know I did. Here's Dan Pashman. Over the course of your career, you've

1:23.1

written about a wide range of topics. I have. I've written about weather modification in China. I've

1:28.6

written about sports. I've written about politics, media, and also food. And yet, after all your

1:35.6

years and years of a distinguished writing career of covering such a wide range of topics and a wide

1:40.7

range of impressive publications, there seems to you one piece that stands out above all the rest,

1:46.5

at least in terms of capturing the most public interest.

1:50.2

Nothing I've written has had as sort of a long-lasting effect

1:54.3

as the piece I wrote for Slate about how long it takes to caramelize onions.

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