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The Waves: Gender, Relationships, Feminism

Introducing Hi-Phi Nation: For Women Only

The Waves: Gender, Relationships, Feminism

Slate Podcasts

News Commentary, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Sexuality, News

4.2903 Ratings

🗓️ 11 May 2019

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Today we're sharing an episode of another Slate podcast we believe will be of interest to listeners of The Waves: Hi-Phi Nation. It is currently very difficult to get your gender legally changed in the U.K, That might change. In recent months, philosophers have been drafted into making complicated and contentious arguments about what it is to be a man, woman, or any other gender, in the service of advancing or blocking the movement for trans rights and recognition. In particular, it has exposed a conflict between trans-rights advocates and a certain wing of feminism, a conflict that in fact has its roots in America in the 1970s. On this episode, Hi-Phi Nation looks at the historical origins of this conflict by looking at a single event involving two women in the '70s, one of whom founded the gender-abolitionist wing of feminism; the other founded transgender studies. That event, and those ideas, help us to understand the stakes and contentiousness today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello Wave listeners, June Thomas here.

0:02.0

Hifai Nation, a podcast about philosophy told in story form,

0:07.0

has recently published two really fascinating episodes exploring the conflict

0:12.0

between trans rights advocates and some feminists.

0:16.2

In the first part which you can hear after this introduction, host Barry Lamb examines the historical

0:21.8

origins of the conflict by looking at a single event involving

0:26.0

two women in the 70s one of whom founded the gender abolitionist wing of feminism while

0:31.8

the other founded transgender studies.

0:34.8

That event and those ideas help us to understand the stakes and contentiousness today.

0:40.7

For part two about the metaphysics of gender and for more great episodes please go to the

0:45.4

Hi-Fi Nation.

0:50.4

Enjoy. From Slate This is Hi-Fi Nation.

1:03.0

Philosophy in Story Form.

1:05.7

Recording from Vassar College, here's Barry Lamb.

1:10.3

Right now it takes a lot to change your gender legally in the UK.

1:14.0

You have to live for two years as the gender you want the law to recognize,

1:19.0

and that has to be somehow certified.

1:21.0

You have to get two diagnoses from doctors that you have gender dysphoria disorder.

1:26.8

And if you're married, your spouse has to consent to the gender change.

1:31.7

Then everything has to come to a government panel, the gender recognition panel, and

1:37.1

they get to make the final judgment.

1:40.3

All of this might change, or it might not.

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